unsubscribe
delete
remove

Do not place anything else in the "Subject:" line of your message. The list server is a robot which may be "confused" by additonal text. If your unsubscribe request was successful, the list server will respond to you with an automated removal confirmation message.

Also, do not send your "unsubscribe" request to the mailing list itself! Doing so will accomplish nothing other than irritating the other list members. Such requests must be addressed to the specific "-request" address above. Remember that for such an automatic "unsubscribe" request to work, it MUST be sent only "From:" your e-mail address which is currently in this list. If you're unable to send a message using that return address, instead send your request directly to your list administrator (at the address above), who will then manually remove your address from this list.

How to send or reply to this list

To send (or reply to) a message to this list, address it to:

"baden53@zzapp.org".

IMPORTANT: The most common mistake made by list members is to accidentally try to post a message to the list using a "From:" address not in the list itself. Remember that in order for this list to accept your message, you MUST send it "From:" an address already in the list.

By intentional design for spam control and list security, any messages sent to this list using a "From:" address which the list server does not recognize will simply be discarded - they will not be bounced back to the sender and will not generate any kind of error message - they will simply "go down a black hole".

REMEMBER: All members of this list share all messages posted to it. A copy of ANYTHING you send to this list will be automatically sent to everyone else who is currently subscribed to this list, and once sent, such messages cannot be "canceled" nor "recalled".

Careful with that "Reply" button!

CAUTION: This is a group discussion forum. Even though your e-mail client may display messages from this list as having been sent "From:" an individual on it, when you use the "Reply" function in your e-mail client, your reply will NOT be forwarded directly to that individual, but rather to this list (and then to everyone on it).

If you wish to correspond privately with only one member or several selected members of this list, you must post a message to each of them "off list" (addressed to each individually or as a "CC:" group).

Only "Plain Text", please

Always set your e-mail client (such as Outlook Express, Eudora Mail, Pegasus, or Netscape Mail) to compose your outgoing list messages in "plain text". Cute background images, colored fonts, and "stationery" are nifty for exchanging private messages with individuals whom you know use e-mail clients which can properly display them, but they're not appropriate for shared messages in a mailing list.

Why? Because a lot of folks either use e-mail clients which cannot display such stuff - resulting in very messy messages full of computer code or a message which is totally unreadable - or for security reasons they purposely configure their e-mail client to ignore that sort of thing. Where mail lists are concerned, always "keep it simple".

Avoid large or uniquely formatted files

You're strongly advised not to attempt to post graphic images, spreadsheets, nor other uniquely formatted (i.e. Word) documents to this list. Mailing lists are intended for simple "typewriter text". A list server must create and send an individual copy of each message posted to it to each member of each mailing list. So in order to speed your list messages as quickly as possible, our list server purposely limits each individual incoming message to 100,000 bytes. That's a LOT of text (one-hundred-thousand characters, or more than 30 pages of text, each of which contains 55 lines 60 characters wide). But a large graphic image or spreadsheet can quickly exceed that - in which case, as mentioned above, your message will be rejected and will simply vanish.

Also remember that everyone on this list may not be running the same software you are, and thus may not be able to display files transmitted in unique formats (such as those produced by word processors, databases, spreadsheets, and audio/video/graphic editors). Plain "ASCII Text", however, is universally accepted and displayed by all computers everywhere.

If you need to share large or uniquely formatted files, either send them to each person individually (via your own e-mail address book and/or "carbon copies") - or better yet, post them to a web page, then simply share the web link to that file via this list.

Three days ...

Any time you post a message to this list, our list server will try to deliver it for up to 3 days. This is done intentionally in order to successfully deliver such messages to anyone whose mail server might be temporarily unreachable for a few hours or a day or two (which happens more often than you might imagine).

At the end of that period, should your message still be undeliverable to anyone on this list, you may receive a "bounce message" containing that fact - at which time you might want to forward that bounce message to the administrator of this list so that unreachable address can be removed from this list.

What this also means, of course, is that should any e-mail addresses in this list be incorrect (because the owner of that address has canceled that mailbox or moved to another address) you may not receive a bounce message until after three days. Thus, you cannot assume that anyone did or did not receive a message posted here until after three days has expired.

Did everyone receive it?

Generally speaking, if a message from this list shows up in your own mailbox (as it certainly should), you can logically assume everyone else on the list received it too (or eventually will). If you don't receive it yourself, however, you might want to carefully check your own e-mail client configuration to be sure that it's not somehow rejecting incoming messages from this list. You might also want to double-check to be sure that any message you posted to it was sent to the correct list address, and that you used the "From:" address the list recognizes.

But did they actually READ it?

Whether or not members of this list actually read its messages depends upon if and how often they retrieve their e-mail. So never assume that by posting to this list that each person on it has "gotten the message". Computers fail. Internet e-mail sometimes goes astray. Some people utterly ignore their e-mail for days, weeks, or months. If you have something vitally important to say to a particular list member, in addition to sending e-mail, follow-up via some other communications method (such as the telephone).

How private is "Private"?

Without your specific permission, your e-mail address will never be shared with any other individual or organization, and will never be used for marketing purposes. ConnectOne Internet Services - the organization which runs this list server - carefully respects and protects your privacy.

Unless specifically placed in the text body of a list message by its sender, no messages transmitted by this list server contain any e-mail addresses other than that of the sender and the addresses used for administration of this list. Messages are transmitted by this list server as "blind copies". Thus, your own e-mail address is not visible to others on this list unless you post a message to it. Remember, however, that although this is a "Private" list and only its members will normally receive messages posted to it, no standard e-mail such as this can ever be considered completely "private" nor even "confidential" because not only can it go "astray", any technical personnel along the networks through which it passes can read it at will.

Problems receiving messages from this list

In their dogged efforts to combat spam, some e-mail clients now arrive "out of the box" with security settings set so high that they essentially mark all incoming messages from mailing lists (such as this one) as "potential spam". In some cases they then place those messages in a special folder for manual deletion.

If yours does this, check that folder for mailing list messages. If there are any there, click on the "Help" icon in that program (usually near the upper right corner of Windows programs) for assistance with altering the configuration settings in that e-mail client to correctly accept messages from this mailing list.

Also, some ISPs use spam control systems which essentially do the same thing (assume all mailing list messages to be suspected spam and place them in a special area or mark them in a special way). If your ISP does this, use whatever configuration method they provide to correct this error. If you're unsure how to do that, contact your ISP's customer support service for assistance.

Worst of all, some people now try to use "challenge-response" spam filter systems which doggedly reject all mail from e-mail addresses not in the user's "accept" list. And since it's impossible for such a user to maintain a current copy of every e-mail address within any mailing list, such badly-designed spam control systems will always reject messages from all mailing lists.

The correct solutions for that problem is for the user to either create a second incoming mailbox (or an alias to the original box) which does NOT use such an ill-conceived attempt at spam filtering, or "whitelist" this mailing list within that program.

Unfortunately, because errors such as these occur at the receiving end (in your own e-mail client or in your ISP's spam control system), other than the preceding suggestions, there is absolutely nothing we can do from the sending end to correct them.

Once more - how to leave this list?

Again - should you wish to no longer participate in this list, just "unsubscribe" yourself as directed above.

Finally ...

Your continued presence is welcomed and appreciated here in this group. Thanks for participating.

  Return to previous page